Comments on: Very interesting first day at state baseball http://preptalk.honadvblogs.com/2008/05/08/very-interesting-first-day-at-state-baseball/ Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:01:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: mark http://preptalk.honadvblogs.com/2008/05/08/very-interesting-first-day-at-state-baseball/#comment-462 mark Thu, 15 May 2008 04:43:38 +0000 http://preptalk.honadvblogs.com/2008/05/08/very-interesting-first-day-at-state-baseball/#comment-462 Castle Silva look good! Aiea Castillo looked sharp. Struggled with Command? Three errors listed, I seen at least 5. Two great plays in the outfield though. But 3 hits!! typical 08 Aiea baseball. Castle Silva look good!

Aiea Castillo looked sharp. Struggled with Command? Three errors listed, I seen at least 5. Two great plays in the outfield though. But 3 hits!! typical 08 Aiea baseball.

]]> By: Wes http://preptalk.honadvblogs.com/2008/05/08/very-interesting-first-day-at-state-baseball/#comment-449 Wes Wed, 14 May 2008 19:26:58 +0000 http://preptalk.honadvblogs.com/2008/05/08/very-interesting-first-day-at-state-baseball/#comment-449 I was at all four DI games, so I commented on what I saw. I would not feel comfortable commenting on four games of which I did not see one pitch. But in the bigger picture, regarding your other issues with DII, it seems that many people have quickly forgotten that Division II state tournaments are a privilege, not a God-given right. There's no law, not even a National High School Federation rule, that says every state MUST have a separate DII tournament. The DII tournaments only exist because there was a push by some for several years to have a separate DII FOOTBALL state championship, which finally materialized in 2003. Mainly for gender equity reasons, DII tournaments for softball and girls basketball were added that same school year. Then to satisfy others, more DII tourneys were added every year until finally there was DII baseball this season. I'm sure everything was not perfect, but again DIVISION II TOURNAMENTS ARE A PRIVILEGE, NOT A RIGHT. As we have seen with Pahoa boys volleyball this week, these tournaments are not free and come with a big price tag picked up by the HHSAA and the individual schools. I believe the games at CORP came with free admission, so certainly the fans did not pay for umpires, scorekeepers or a PA system and announcer. These DII tournaments were created to give kids from schools that normally would not have an opportunity to play in a state tournament, to play in one. But just to use an example, Kalaheo won an OIA baseball championship in 1984 and also played in the state tournament from 1992 to 1994, reaching the title game in 1994. So I'm not sure if this was the type of school — one that already has a history of state tourney opportunities — the DII creators had in mind when pushing for this change. Yet, due to the system in place, this year's Kalaheo players got to enjoy the excitement of tournament competition when in past years they would be at home watching like everybody else. If people remembered that DII — heck, even playing high school sports in general — is a privilege, not a right (something that has been established in court several times), then maybe they will have a different perspective. I was at all four DI games, so I commented on what I saw. I would not feel comfortable commenting on four games of which I did not see one pitch.

But in the bigger picture, regarding your other issues with DII, it seems that many people have quickly forgotten that Division II state tournaments are a privilege, not a God-given right.

There’s no law, not even a National High School Federation rule, that says every state MUST have a separate DII tournament.

The DII tournaments only exist because there was a push by some for several years to have a separate DII FOOTBALL state championship, which finally materialized in 2003.

Mainly for gender equity reasons, DII tournaments for softball and girls basketball were added that same school year. Then to satisfy others, more DII tourneys were added every year until finally there was DII baseball this season.

I’m sure everything was not perfect, but again DIVISION II TOURNAMENTS ARE A PRIVILEGE, NOT A RIGHT.

As we have seen with Pahoa boys volleyball this week, these tournaments are not free and come with a big price tag picked up by the HHSAA and the individual schools. I believe the games at CORP came with free admission, so certainly the fans did not pay for umpires, scorekeepers or a PA system and announcer.

These DII tournaments were created to give kids from schools that normally would not have an opportunity to play in a state tournament, to play in one.

But just to use an example, Kalaheo won an OIA baseball championship in 1984 and also played in the state tournament from 1992 to 1994, reaching the title game in 1994.

So I’m not sure if this was the type of school — one that already has a history of state tourney opportunities — the DII creators had in mind when pushing for this change.

Yet, due to the system in place, this year’s Kalaheo players got to enjoy the excitement of tournament competition when in past years they would be at home watching like everybody else.

If people remembered that DII — heck, even playing high school sports in general — is a privilege, not a right (something that has been established in court several times), then maybe they will have a different perspective.

]]> By: K-Tom http://preptalk.honadvblogs.com/2008/05/08/very-interesting-first-day-at-state-baseball/#comment-440 K-Tom Wed, 14 May 2008 02:38:34 +0000 http://preptalk.honadvblogs.com/2008/05/08/very-interesting-first-day-at-state-baseball/#comment-440 Good job covering the first-ever D-II tournament in your comments... oh, guess you didn't. But, hey, the umpires didn't really show up, either. Just guys in blue armed with darts and guesses. Nor did the light bulbs in the scoreboards out at CORP. Or the souvenir t-shirts. Or any official game scorers. Or anyone handling PA responsibilities. Maybe no one knew seven teams and their fans from other islands were traveling here to compete in a state tournament -- because whatever it was that the HHSAA put on out at CORP last week was more like a weekend recreational softball tournament -- without the suds, of course. What a bummer. But it was nice that the Kauai Red Raiders -- the first-ever D-II state baseball champ -- got totally ignored by the Cartwright Cup gang. Hey, give the coach a Coors instead -- he probably needed one, and more! Good job covering the first-ever D-II tournament in your comments… oh, guess you didn’t. But, hey, the umpires didn’t really show up, either. Just guys in blue armed with darts and guesses. Nor did the light bulbs in the scoreboards out at CORP. Or the souvenir t-shirts. Or any official game scorers. Or anyone handling PA responsibilities. Maybe no one knew seven teams and their fans from other islands were traveling here to compete in a state tournament — because whatever it was that the HHSAA put on out at CORP last week was more like a weekend recreational softball tournament — without the suds, of course. What a bummer. But it was nice that the Kauai Red Raiders — the first-ever D-II state baseball champ — got totally ignored by the Cartwright Cup gang. Hey, give the coach a Coors instead — he probably needed one, and more!

]]> By: Warren http://preptalk.honadvblogs.com/2008/05/08/very-interesting-first-day-at-state-baseball/#comment-436 Warren Wed, 14 May 2008 01:58:11 +0000 http://preptalk.honadvblogs.com/2008/05/08/very-interesting-first-day-at-state-baseball/#comment-436 Went to a lot of the games. Had some really good games, but the best was the Punahou / Roosevelt game. By far the most entertaining. Roosevelt almost knocked off the big boys and I mean big in both ways compared to Roosevelt size wise. Looking at Roosevelt's roster it was an under 6'-0" team. I think most of them were 5'-5" or less. Goes to show you size doesn't matter. Impressed with 2b, 3b, SS and centerfielder. Punahou hit some shots at 3b and SS and they made the plays look routine. Punahou's SS was having a hard time, heard he was a 2 time all stater. Looks like he has some minor flaws in his fielding, surprised coaches didn't work out the kinks with him. Looks like simple fixes. He looks like he has the size and athletic ability to be an excellent SS. Also saw Waiakea's 1b hit some bombs. Took one out in center and also hit the top of the left field wall into a strong wind. Very enjoyable weekend of baseball. Went to a lot of the games. Had some really good games, but the best was the Punahou / Roosevelt game. By far the most entertaining. Roosevelt almost knocked off the big boys and I mean big in both ways compared to Roosevelt size wise. Looking at Roosevelt’s roster it was an under 6′-0″ team. I think most of them were 5′-5″ or less. Goes to show you size doesn’t matter. Impressed with 2b, 3b, SS and centerfielder. Punahou hit some shots at 3b and SS and they made the plays look routine. Punahou’s SS was having a hard time, heard he was a 2 time all stater. Looks like he has some minor flaws in his fielding, surprised coaches didn’t work out the kinks with him. Looks like simple fixes. He looks like he has the size and athletic ability to be an excellent SS. Also saw Waiakea’s 1b hit some bombs. Took one out in center and also hit the top of the left field wall into a strong wind. Very enjoyable weekend of baseball.

]]> By: el guapo http://preptalk.honadvblogs.com/2008/05/08/very-interesting-first-day-at-state-baseball/#comment-407 el guapo Mon, 12 May 2008 07:31:27 +0000 http://preptalk.honadvblogs.com/2008/05/08/very-interesting-first-day-at-state-baseball/#comment-407 off topic Disturbing that Pahoa HS is having trouble raising funds for state VB tournament. Why do neighbor island schools have to raise funds in the first place? Majority of tournaments are on Oahu so OIA and ILH schools usually get the free ride. Meanwhile neighbor island schools and parents have to come up with travel money in most years. off topic
Disturbing that Pahoa HS is having trouble raising funds for state VB tournament.
Why do neighbor island schools have to raise funds in the first place? Majority of tournaments are on Oahu so OIA and ILH schools usually get the free ride. Meanwhile neighbor island schools and parents have to come up with travel money in most years.

]]> By: localball http://preptalk.honadvblogs.com/2008/05/08/very-interesting-first-day-at-state-baseball/#comment-385 localball Sat, 10 May 2008 05:55:48 +0000 http://preptalk.honadvblogs.com/2008/05/08/very-interesting-first-day-at-state-baseball/#comment-385 You guys who vote on the top ten are a joke. Again, how can you have a division 2 team be ranked or even be considered in the top ten in the state? Waipahu? This shows your credibility or knowledge of high school baseball. Waipahu can't even win in the consolation bracket of the division 2 state tournament and you guys rank them in the top ten in the state? These division 2 teams wouldn't stand a chance against a team like Mililani who came in last in the OIA west or even McKinley. There is a reason why they are in division 2 so don't humiliate the other division 1 teams by ranking them (division 2 teams) higher. Waipahu proved you guys wrong so think twice before you come out with the final top ten rankings. You guys who vote on the top ten are a joke. Again, how can you have a division 2 team be ranked or even be considered in the top ten in the state? Waipahu? This shows your credibility or knowledge of high school baseball. Waipahu can’t even win in the consolation bracket of the division 2 state tournament and you guys rank them in the top ten in the state? These division 2 teams wouldn’t stand a chance against a team like Mililani who came in last in the OIA west or even McKinley. There is a reason why they are in division 2 so don’t humiliate the other division 1 teams by ranking them (division 2 teams) higher. Waipahu proved you guys wrong so think twice before you come out with the final top ten rankings.

]]> By: Radford parent http://preptalk.honadvblogs.com/2008/05/08/very-interesting-first-day-at-state-baseball/#comment-373 Radford parent Fri, 09 May 2008 08:55:08 +0000 http://preptalk.honadvblogs.com/2008/05/08/very-interesting-first-day-at-state-baseball/#comment-373 Seems you guys forgot about the DII tournamnent, I know these kids are DII but there are some pretty good ball players playing for small schools that deserve a little recongition as well. Seems you guys forgot about the DII tournamnent, I know these kids are DII but there are some pretty good ball players playing for small schools that deserve a little recongition as well.

]]> By: d1shima [sez:] http://preptalk.honadvblogs.com/2008/05/08/very-interesting-first-day-at-state-baseball/#comment-370 d1shima [sez:] Fri, 09 May 2008 03:50:32 +0000 http://preptalk.honadvblogs.com/2008/05/08/very-interesting-first-day-at-state-baseball/#comment-370 notes: I sounded that horn back in the regular season. Go Saints. On to the Semis... notes:

I sounded that horn back in the regular season.

Go Saints.
On to the Semis…

]]> By: addahknowjoe http://preptalk.honadvblogs.com/2008/05/08/very-interesting-first-day-at-state-baseball/#comment-368 addahknowjoe Fri, 09 May 2008 02:00:34 +0000 http://preptalk.honadvblogs.com/2008/05/08/very-interesting-first-day-at-state-baseball/#comment-368 Wes- Solid coverage! Keep it up. Speaking of which- what's todays latest scores? Wes-

Solid coverage! Keep it up.

Speaking of which- what’s todays latest scores?

]]> By: notes http://preptalk.honadvblogs.com/2008/05/08/very-interesting-first-day-at-state-baseball/#comment-363 notes Thu, 08 May 2008 19:39:39 +0000 http://preptalk.honadvblogs.com/2008/05/08/very-interesting-first-day-at-state-baseball/#comment-363 if Maryknoll (0-14 regular season) wins DII tournament.... if Maryknoll (0-14 regular season) wins DII tournament….

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